Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. You might What a stupid thing to say. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. 32. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. I must put it in Jesus Christ. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. God Bless. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. Hypocrites! Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). Abortion is murder. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. No one is "born into the church." Yes, we have a tract rack. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. 10. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. JUDAH. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. It didnt raise red flags for me. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 24 Blind guides! If you party, DO NOT drink. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to They all work together. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. 15. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. ? 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). I am also against body piercings as well. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. They are counting on your service and tithe. 4,2, and 7 month old. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among We will never attain that on this side. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. N/A Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? If you want a discussion ask for one. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Whats wrong with a tract rack? I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. 11. . Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. I forgave him before he changed. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. G.F.F. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. 7. Yes, see my answer to your first question. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. 24. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Its the inspired word of God. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Neither should control the other. 3. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Apart from Him we can do nothing. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. 19. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. 31. I can not forgive sins! The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. 5. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! 4. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Your happy mega churches do too. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. These are right on the money! My jabs are defensive in nature. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. I want to respond to your #30. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. 42. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Does the lord convict me when I miss? No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. I dare say probably not. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. Its pure manipulation. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. 28. You are correct! For example, #54. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. XII. Im not responsible for how its perceived. WebWARNING!!!! Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. We ARE the church my friend! Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? If you think that the title Pastor is the synonym for the man of God this is not the case in the church I go to. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. I only hope that you will see it before too long. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. WebGetting to it. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 51. LOL. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! 6. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? I dont see how. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. 22. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Then you have churches with no standards . Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. I know the answers now. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. 55. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. There isn't much out there on the web. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. 1. Everyone has sent in their life. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Its insidious and extremely toxic. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. Amen! If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Again its too legalistic. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. Correction is my discernment. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. All I do is reply to comments. The two are completely unrelated. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. 29. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. Gods will was for me to forgive. I truly dont understand this one, ha! If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. 27. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches.

Borealis Yale Society, Articles I