I need to talk to the president, he may be unaware what some of his professors are teaching. as to revenue streams, Jesus paid His taxes with money a fish popped up with. then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: if mark is not truly repentant, (which is totally conceivable since he has never apologized for anything except being too unkind in firing people and running people into the ground under his God given authority) then this could be compared, (by sin levelers who will be quick to show up here and defend him)this could be compared to Jordan Root getting right back in the mission field and preaching about what happens when women and heathens in the press persecute godly people accused of child porn addictions with no evidence. Whats worse, total lack of good character. Im not saying that I don't believe anyone, I really just want to learn the other side of this argument. And these leaders present themselves as one thing but are deceiving people the entire time. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-found-fathers-sex-abuse-confession-agonising They dont (want to) get it. Church membership requires showing your W-2 and mandatory tithe I simply offer another perspective. I never thought of that but that certainly might be the case. I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. Driscoll should not be granted any level of power till he has demonstrated that he has obtained the humility necessary to handle it. Weve got enough local crazy around here, we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. Mega churches are asking people to step back from the reality of how they effect people and just go along with a bunch of rules and covenants and christianeese and let them stay in their positions cause their friends say they are changed. It was because of a backfire in strategy by then executive pastors Jamie Munson and Scott Thomas, who handled my discipline case. They did not want us to leave. As much as I distrust Acts29 and the YRR, and as much as many see Matt Chandlers action as mere damage control, at least he admitted that they screwed up, and there is still hope that he really meant it and that they will really act differently in the future because theyve learned something. Likewise, in house churches sin happens because people will be people. How can they do that? . He looked at me kindly and slightly amused and said, thats okay. stephen the shepherd is dying. James River Church's 2020 Christmas service. Gramp3 and I were recalling today the first time we ever heard Driscolls name brought up in a church. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. But we dont know yet for sure. Did this evil plot involve the use of ninjas or leprechauns? The sad part is that members have no idea how they are viewed unless they ask uncomfortable questions. These are the views of Steve Pokin, the News-Leader's columnist. There could be some better teaching on this but too many appear to receive their teaching from celebrity pastors who then take advantage of them. Mot only do I think Driscoll is a wolf in sheeps clothing, but I think hes opportunistic, and because being a preacher is all he knows. Hmmm, trust the Spirit, and let them be killed like Ananias and Sapphira? In the future, people will tell churches and christians to distance themselves from the dishonesty of the dishonest churches. I think many. One of the men had been to a conference in Seattle and was just wowed by his missional approach. Who cares about that pesky truth so long as there are clean bathrooms, great hot coffee and rockin worship? Im so used to the megas Velcro bars where they only care about you if they can slap some Velcro on you to make you come back so you can become a tithe payer. Oh no. The financial aspects. Ches rise and fall occurred before I was born so Id sincerely appreciate any insight and correction. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. They are relinquishing 10-20% of their gross income. There was a box for Guest Services. http://mercysurvivors.com/2014/03/06/mercy-ministries-peru-309k-and-no-cherry/#more-1348. Prayer Requests "We cannot endorse a candidate and we cannot endorse a party," he said. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. Great insight. Ok, I looked up Hillsong because I know in the past theres been a bit of controversy about them. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. No. @wartwatch Not even the milk toast "We regret if anyone was offended"? He should not be making a buck off Jesus in any way, shape, or form, IMO. Marks of a bully, and definitely not qualifications of an elder. An IRS spokesman in St. Louis would not comment when asked if a pastor could speak from the pulpit to encourage congregants to vote a particular way on an issue. He did it from one of the most powerful places in Southwest Missouri the pulpit of James River Church, where he leads an Assemblies of God congregation that often tops 9,000 worshipers on. (KY3) - James River Church responded Monday to complaints after social media images show little social distancing and few masks at its Christmas celebrations. The text is not prescriptive. 33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, Pokin has been at the paper three years and over the course of his career has covered just about everything from courts and cops to features and fitness. Thanks for the link i want to read more of the writers work. This captures precisely what I have been sensing as well. You want to go all Colonel Jessup and rant about the truth? But that does not restore the trust in the relationship, and trust is the blood of good relationships. This is either a complete falsehood or shows their utter lack of interest in the facts, because, as HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, celebrity pastor unto celebrity pastor is brother. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. Also, there is a difference, IMO, between forgiveness and trust restoration. They were perceived as mediators between the person and Christ. You need to check yourself Lindell then apologize and repent. I try to make sure my examples reflect current GW practice which is repellent to follow but important that people understand the stuff that I am posting is happening in real time. If there is one thing I know it is that those around Acts 29 circles are now in Mark who? While I appreciate that we were exposed to different theologians, it seemed the bent was toward Calvinism. Join us LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm and 7pm! In Driscolls case he didnt even offer up the grudging apology specifically for the lives he ruined, the corruption, or the abuse of those at Mars Hill. Six months for Driscoll does not represent later in life, give him another ten or twenty years. Likewise, you cannot be or stay a pastor if you find out that you cant respect people. "He saw it for what it was. She was warned not to work with Agathos. The last time Robert Morris met and greeted anyone as part of his service he still had his braces/retainer on. For the Christmas services, additional services were added to further provide for social distancing. Ive seen desensitizing have the desired effect and its not pretty. mark is finally preaching more accurately who Jesus is and the fact that salvation is found in Jesus but then he goes off into marks interpretation of the bible as usual. He has not shown himself capable of being trusted with that sort of ministry in the first place. Saul did get out of Dodge for some years. This is off topic but your question has been the basis of discussion with many associates for the last 6 months, many recently leaving an authoritarian church. @ numo: I find that when the Lord is using my mouth it is never vulgar or rude. pic.twitter.com/Wt6wZOdE9J. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. Why should we bother with reading history or learning the truth? It came swiftly and with great effect. Otherwise, its authentic shunning for you. Pouring what, exactly? Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. Now the shock will be realizing how far theyve strayed from those virtues. You would have thought Piper would have caught on at some point. Same type of focus you describe without the healing stuff. Do I hope they change? It was just a matter of time before New Calvinism found a way to resurrect its leading icon. what they are. Christian institutions are trying to express an organic Jesus in non-organic structures. THANK YOU! -Katelyn your post, and this one i read on facebook yesterday: I then stood up and pointed out that 30 lines below the famous quote All men are created equal the Declaration of Independence refers to Natives as merciless Indian savages. http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/the-dilemma-of-the-fourth-of-july/. Regardless of your tilt on the subject, Lindell appears to go out of his way to make it into the news on the subject. The only two ways that I can think of for having said benchmarks, assuming by leadership you mean pastor(s) and not just chairman of some committee, is either having a system with central authority with established criteria which must be met prior to ordination and some written policies which are grounds for dismissal in certain conditions, That would be a denominational hierarchical system with designated people with authority and with something in writing, like an official book of how we do it. Or else to have a savvy and informed and mature congregation who would agree with and co-operate with each other on what was necessary and what needed done and which would have the actual power (backing of the people) to get it done. Unfortunately I dont see loose associations of Christ followers functioning in my locale but I continually find more dones, those done with institutional church. Until that flaw is named and claimed, it is reasonable to expect this kind of thing to happen again. @ Bob M: in prison. Driscoll does not meet the biblical qualifications to be a preacher. one person, after 6 months finally started to say why they didnt attend gateway anymore and it made me wonder why people dont warn others. In my opinion Gateway is a cult not a church so they lose their Winters Bone protection status. *carefully targeting pastors who want to build an empire of their own with an easy publicity stunt (although described Christian-like so it actually sounds noble, in both marketing and in the buying pastors self-talk), @ LT:

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